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I have an old computer so slideshow battles are pretty common for me. In these 50 v 50 battles things get bad for most anyone, virtually, regardless of your system. The games got a lot of old code (cough pre-cu, CU, NGE, etc.) that was basically written for 2003 technology. If your having really bad problems or want to try to speed things up a bit (by at least a couple frames at least) then try this:

XP users: (Vista is basically same thing I just don't know the commands off the top of my head)

Click Run, type: msconfig
Click General (Tab) - Selective Startup

Under Selective Startup unclick:
System.InI, Win.InI, Load Startup Items

Under Services (Tab) - Hide All Microsoft Services: Unclick anything unnecessary (You can probably click Disable All)

Restart Computer and load into game.

This will turn off all non essential programs and background noise you may have and will help things run smoother. On a side note, you can still load up anything else you want to run while under selective startup but there's a catch. If you turned off your firewall/virus protection (a big background hog) then obviously those programs aren't running. You can still listen to music and watch porn etc. while you play but I advise that you don't download stuff or open any email attachments while you have this option off. Also, if you use a system recovery/rollback (I forgot the name of it but it's also a big background hog) then that will be turned off as well. You can have your computer store a restore point prior to tinkering with your computer if you're that worried about it.

This isn't a cure all to lag problems but it does help. If you're just playing this game and not downloading anything then it's fine to turn off your firewall, system restore, and other non essential programs. Even if your checking email with attachments, I know both Yahoo mail and MSN have built in virus scans for their sites.

Can members say yay or nay to this being moved to a confirmed section.

Will try it later on today in a big pvp battle
I'm under Vista.

I've been using this Method since XP has been out on all games, and yes it does work, So i'll give it a YAY!

YAY

less client lag using this.

EDIT: This does NOT reduce server lags

500 points granted and moved to confirmed

jedig wrote:I have an old computer so slideshow battles are pretty common for me. In these 50 v 50 battles things get bad for most anyone, virtually, regardless of your system. The games got a lot of old code (cough pre-cu, CU, NGE, etc.) that was basically written for 2003 technology. If your having really bad problems or want to try to speed things up a bit (by at least a couple frames at least) then try this:

XP users: (Vista is basically same thing I just don't know the commands off the top of my head)

Click Run, type: msconfig
Click General (Tab) - Selective Startup

Under Selective Startup unclick:
System.InI, Win.InI, Load Startup Items

Under Services (Tab) - Hide All Microsoft Services: Unclick anything unnecessary (You can probably click Disable All)

Restart Computer and load into game.

This will turn off all non essential programs and background noise you may have and will help things run smoother. On a side note, you can still load up anything else you want to run while under selective startup but there's a catch. If you turned off your firewall/virus protection (a big background hog) then obviously those programs aren't running. You can still listen to music and watch porn etc. while you play but I advise that you don't download stuff or open any email attachments while you have this option off. Also, if you use a system recovery/rollback (I forgot the name of it but it's also a big background hog) then that will be turned off as well. You can have your computer store a restore point prior to tinkering with your computer if you're that worried about it.

This isn't a cure all to lag problems but it does help. If you're just playing this game and not downloading anything then it's fine to turn off your firewall, system restore, and other non essential programs. Even if your checking email with attachments, I know both Yahoo mail and MSN have built in virus scans for their sites.

Confirming this Works same for Vista, same steps, etc.

Also on Vista, MS introduced a new priority scheduler for I/O operations. This allows background applications like the indexer, etc to run without any impact on performance.

However there are some 'older' HD interfaces that still rely on CPU usage more than they should, even if DMA enabled, will take CPU cycles. So the new low I/O priority in Vista doesn't give a perfect experience to users with these older HD controllers, as the background processes can sometimes take away your system performance from your game.

In Vista SP1, you can open the control panel (indexing options) and if the indexing system if 'processing files' (intead of saying completed), you can click the pause button to ensure your gaming experience won't be bothered or fighting for CPU cycles or HD times.

Sadly this is not super common, but there are some system that shipped even in 2005 that have these older HD controller designs and don't take advantage of the technology Vista uses for newer HD controller technology.

PS this is not related to PATA/SATA, as both types of controllers can be affected by the CPU stealing chipsets, and it is something you will just have to notice. If you system gets sluggish when the HD light is on, then that is what is at fault. Normally on Vista, HD activity and background processes are so light on the system, they have no impact even for gamers.

Additionally Windows XP users don't be smug, as Windows XP also has background processes, but doesn't have the advanced I/O priority system that Vista has, so if you are running XP, you aren't getting the benefit of the new I/O priority system anyway, even if you have the latest hardware.

Vista is the ME of the XP kernal. /shrug Glad I didn't buy or use either.

cuervogold wrote:Vista is the ME of the XP kernal. /shrug Glad I didn't buy or use either.

Ok there is no such thing as the XP kernel. I assume you are referring to the NT kernel...

I truly won't argue that WinME was a poor product that straped too much on the DOS/Win9x kernel and had bad performance.

But Vista is based on NT, and with the Vista optimizations, it DOES run faster than XP 99.9% of the time, even in gaming.

Imagine this, come home, click SWG Icon, and it loads up without your HD light even clicking on Once, because Vista knows you usually play SWG at this time and how the program loads the data files.

Now imagine loading into Theed lag free 20-30 times faster than an XP user.

Still think Vista suck? Then great, gimp yourself with XP and believe the Anit-Vista myth crap. Until then, I will be killing people like you that load in SF to any location, as even my old 2004 laptop will load to a planet or instance faster than any XP machine, even the newest RAID optimized monster. PERIOD.

(Vista had poor video drivers when it was released, this is because the Vista video subsystem is entirely new and NVidia and ATI not only had to write the drivers from SCRATCH for Vista, but needed real world experience from users on games to optimize the drivers for how Vista works instead of how their previous drivers were optimized for how XP worked.

This is why Drivers from about June of 07 for Vista from both ATI and NVidia caught up with XP drivers in terms of FPS, even when running in a Window with Aero still on, something no other OS can do because of the shared 3D texture concept Vista uses that allows multiple 3D applications to run concurrently without performance loss.

Go look up Vista gaming performance reviews from any time late 07 or early 08, unless they are a shady bunch of fools, Vista either holds it own, being maybe 2-3fps slower, and often is faster like oblivion that runs 20% faster on Vista. And this isn't even accounting for the load times, and dynamic load/zoning times that are on average 6x times faster than XP in all games.

Plus in Vista, if you have a 128 or 256mb Video card, you can crank up Texture qulaity in games, because of the GPU RAM virtualization technologies in Vista. This is why I can run Max settings for LoTRO at 1920x1200 with 4x FSAA, 16AF, on a 2005 laptop... On XP, you can't even get the higher levels of FSAA, as the texture size limits of the display driver prevents it at these high resolutions.

PS Truly go read about the 'NT' kernel, it is still the most advanced consumer OS architecture/kernel technology used today. It is not only client/server, but a hybrid kernel that allows it to have both performance and multi-tasking because of its client/server API hand off design at the kernel level. (unlike Linux that is a heavy microkernel or OSX that is a multi-tasking challenged BSD/MACH intefaceAPI/kernel.

This is why the Win32/Win64 'subsystem' runs as it own OS API on top of the NT API kernel, and has a light translation between the two. This is also why you can run a full BSD API Unix subsystem that sits on NT and can communicate via NT to the Win32 subystem that it is natively running side by side.


But again, I'm just a senior OS engineer that works with several large companies like EDS, GM/Opel, NASA, etc. So you probably know more about OS technology than a fool like myself. (tongue in cheek)

this is actually on the main forums under either Tech Support of Game play discussion.

An engr defying the load times with XP over Vista is the type of talk i like to see to gravitate me into looking at Vista again.

Nice job about how the interfaces get handled

I wonder where else i can find such strong opinions against XP

not sure what is wrong but i click run. type msconfig and it gives me a cannot find file etc msg. is my com messed up or is it jst me. btw im running xp