Pull nm before they pop : FFXI General Discussions

Not saying that they dont cheat. Also I do believe what your saying has the GM bein called against those characters for monopolizing that NM every day. I did ask my LS about King and they dont even what to try it because it will kill them.

Also Bring more people in to the point where it creates Lags. 50 or 75 people in that one area should do the trick and instead of bottting . Spam everything and keep the area clear. Most likely you should have a better chance. If you do that and those JP characters still beat you You have 75 people all complaining to the GM about that one person. Done enough that person will get Kicked out. Just make sure you dont monopolize the area.

If you have done what I said than I am sorry for my ignorance. If the GM are not doing their job in Ifrit complain to SE about the GM not fixing the problem and go from thier.

I have not ran into that problem yet. I have been in areas where their are bots and have beaten the Japanese. I am good but I dont think i am all better than you.

All I am saying it is possible to beat them. I dont think its fair though that it happens and it is allowed in the game.

hehe- Well I almost got killed cause of JP players trying to NPK me when I pulled Ose. Since I got 70 RDM, I set out to get my jerkin the only way I can,. Came in Ose POP but there was a lv 75 JP party killing manticore. SO I slept OSe and ran to zone. I fight it there so i can zone quick in case of trouble. and no link or chain from anything around. Cause some parties would escape then I'll be left with 2 or more Torama to kill. One I took it to zone, that LV 75 party follow it to me. I started to sleep and nuke. 5 min in the fight, the started zoneing flying manga to me and some gobs. I know for a fact everything they zone to me were not strong enough to aggrio them. Once I told them I would call GM on each on of them they left me alone. The whm even help with cure Before she left. This is the first time they ever tried something like that to me. One guy against Ose was a bit thought but got 2 friends that came to help, and we killend it in about 10 min after I hole it off for about 20. I dont camp lost of NM . I mainly will go for POP NM instead of camping. I hate waiting around for hrs on and get nothing,. I think the game has better thing to do then just that. I was amazed about what a GM told me one time about the Monster Signa, only should worth no more then 15k but what can you do. Onely way to fix this is to make all drops rare/ex or ex. Way to much drama over a stupid item. well this is my opinions dont have to agree with. good luck guys and have fun.

Pulling an NM before it pops is no accident. I had a voke bot for a month, before an update. IT works by detecting the code before the monster pops, and actually claims the monster through code before it is ever visible. If you wanna see this in action go check out the 200000000000 bots at argus.

Hi, I am new to the forum please bare with me. I play on the Carbuncle server. And I just wanted to reply to some of the opinions people have said.

For those who said if you bring 2 alliances to one place to claim an NM, it doesn't work. Someone mention the lagging out the JP. Yes, JP will lag and so will NA. Secondly, because the server is located in Japan, their load time is faster. If you don't believe me, go to any guild and try to purchase an item that is popular such as the ingots, they are gone before the time is up. Thirdly, you can monopolize an NM, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing SE can do about it. In fact, if SE does do something about it, they will get sued. They can only make enhancements to make it tougher to monopolize an NM such as random spawn points. To see proof, please see all the gilseller. SE and the GM's will only do something about it ONLY if mpk'ing is involved. Even if mpk'ing is involved, there HAS be to substantial proof for it.

Someone mentioned that JP doesn't monopolize some of the NM's, on carbuncle, they do. Utilizing voke bots (you know this because they are in the location where the mob will spawn before it even spawns, they will all run towards that area utilizing packet sniffing and memory reading etc). They monopolize it to the point where anyone but their LS have to pay RL cash to get the items you want. For proof of this, please ask most high level monks on the carbuncle server, one time or another, the LS that always wins the claim will /tell you to pay them so you can be invited to the alliance next time to get the black belt items.

For those who claim JP parties are better than NA? I don't know about other server, but I see no difference between JP parties vs NA parties besides the obvious communication problem. I have been in NA parties where we would get 6k-10k an hour, I have been in NA parties where I would get -5k an hour. This is also true with the JP parties. The only noticeable (and this is barely) is JP parties tend to know more places to level at where most NA/EU or JP noobs wouldn't know. That comes with experience. There are no difference between a JP player and a NA player besides the experience factor. A lot of NA players are not accustomed to changes that they do normally. Ask a higher level rdm who usually sub drk to sub whm and you will see what I mean. They are clueless and blame the fact that they have so much to do and thus aren't able to accomodate other things needed to succeed in a party. You learn to do more as you gain more experience. I look no further than myself. it took me a good part of almost a year to level monk to 71, but yet, with my drk, i went from 0-58 in a month BEFORE the update.

Just my 2cents.

[quote="gkh109";p="64127"]For those who claim JP parties are better than NA? I don't know about other server, but I see no difference between JP parties vs NA parties besides the obvious communication problem. I have been in NA parties where we would get 6k-10k an hour, I have been in NA parties where I would get -5k an hour. This is also true with the JP parties. The only noticeable (and this is barely) is JP parties tend to know more places to level at where most NA/EU or JP noobs wouldn't know. That comes with experience. There are no difference between a JP player and a NA player besides the experience factor. A lot of NA players are not accustomed to changes that they do normally. Ask a higher level rdm who usually sub drk to sub whm and you will see what I mean. They are clueless and blame the fact that they have so much to do and thus aren't able to accomodate other things needed to succeed in a party. You learn to do more as you gain more experience. I look no further than myself. it took me a good part of almost a year to level monk to 71, but yet, with my drk, i went from 0-58 in a month BEFORE the update.[/quote]There's a HUGE GIGANTIC !@#$%^&* ENORMOUS difference in NA competence now compared to a year ago, it's like a different game in NA groups now.
Still, I've been in 1 bad JP PT and the rest have been either very good or freaking awesome.
For NA parties that statistic ain't even close. Granted, I've been in twice as many JP parties than NA parties though due to playing hours so I might be biased (plus I know basic japanese).

Gear also matters.

Off the topic off of NM botting but ive never had a good JP pt although ive only had about 15 while with NA pts ive noticed the higher the ranks of members the better the pt which would show that experiance is the only real difference i suppose i should mentiopn JP ppl on NMs seeing as that is what this forum is about and well ive never had a probelm with beating them on that either maybe its coz im EU^^

asl,

I pointed my opinions out because I just wish people would stop thinking how JP players are so much better than NA/EU players. They are not. They just have more experience. That's it. Granted, there will always be players, even with experience, who are just bad, but overall, there are no difference between the playing ability of JA/NA/EU.

JMHO

[quote="gkh108";p="64188"]
asl,

I pointed my opinions out because I just wish people would stop thinking how JP players are so much better than NA/EU players. They are not. They just have more experience. That's it. Granted, there will always be players, even with experience, who are just bad, but overall, there are no difference between the playing ability of JA/NA/EU.

JMHO
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There is another difference which makes them better players in the game over and aove the extra time they have played. They seem to be a bit more honorable and seem to be more devoted than many of the NA players.

JP sux0r teh big one!!!!!!111!!!1one!!!1

gkh108

Your right that time gives experience and noone is saying other wise. But Japanese players are by far way more experienced. This is why they are better.

I have been in Japanese ptys as a white lvl 53 and they are 56 and I was still getting 220 xp. With no downtime. They usually have Ubber gear.
We where lvling in King's Tonberry tomb. Also they are always willing to help if they are in the area and can understand what you asking them. I use Auto Translation.

I have been able to get them to help eaisly as long as they are in the area. They are very Kind.

The Best NA parties i have been in can get about 6k in one hour a little more if they are very good. The Japanese parties can almost double that. Ex in Garli fighting bats. I was playing in a Japanses pty and we went form lvl 30 to lvl 33 in 1 hour. The way they play is awesome. It took 3 days to get to 35 because when the Na players where their we would get trained because of the lack of experience.

Another ex is if you train a Japanes pty which I have seen done. They will stay their and fight not running even if they cant win. Their sense Honor unmatched. Not saying that all NA players are not good but we have allot to learn form their examples. Also a japanse pty gets a Link they can easily deal with it like if it was nothing. Half of the times NA parties usually run because they just cant handle it.

As a white I am depent on ptys for XP. All the times I have had the Honor in playing with the Japanese I have been very impressed. Infact it is considered and honor to say to a NA party that is doing good. " Are you all Japanse or What? " We all share a quick laugh with the complaiment and keep palying.

Cries I wish they would invite me every time.

Regarding the pulling. Ifrit does have the same problem they are faster. It is possible to beat them but very hard. and SE can easily fix this by making those items more accessible and at a Fixed price.

Like Monter Signa Staff in Ifrit is over 500k. If SE made that item EX Rare you would not see this messed up monoplies. I personally think all NM drops should not be worth anything. So only the people that need the items or wanted them would hunt them not use it as a source of income. For that u can always make Ubber Mobs that drop ungodly amounst of Gil or all Mobs drop Gil at a decent rate.

So you can make gil while you pty but that would be to !@#$%^&* Fare.

Alex,

Ok, maybe I should retract my statement. Better yet, I should move to the Ifrit server. lol. I am on carbuncle, the best per hour xp was 10.2k an hour for 3 hours. that's becuz it was a mnk pt for chain 25 in kbt. only happened to me once, and i !@#$%^&* my pants while playing and grinning from ear to ear. the best in garliage was 7k an hour for me.

Anyhow, i agree with everything you said, JP are "better" because they have more experience and they have uber gear because well, they started earlier than any NA/EU did thus the good equipment wasn't that expensive yet, at least that's the case in carbuncle.

My whole point is I just don't want the general public to think JP = good players. they are not. a good player is a good player, a bad player is a bad player. that is the point that i was trying to come across. if there are more good JP player than NA/EU good player in general, so be it. that's all

10.2k an hour for 3 hours? No offense, but that sounds like complete !@#$%^&* to me. You'd have to hit 170xp per minute on that, which means IT+ and nothing less as just an average.over that time. 4k/hour seems to be general average, with the higher skilled pt's going for 6-8k/hour.

Join a monk pt, go to KBT, 3 mnks, rdm, blm, brd. you fight skeles, nothing else. If you are decked out as a mnk (all 3 of us were), you will see what happens.

It's the same as manaburn. They get at a min of 8k an hour but can go even faster if they know how to pull right, of course, with the -ga spells, my friend has done 12k an hour. 5 blm and a brd

You might want to consider arrowburn parties. 4 rng, brd, rdm.

All mentioned combination can go over 10k an hour at the higher level. And you rarely fight IT's, you fight VT and chain the crap out of them. Hence chain 25 we achieved. You pretty much are fighting like 2-3 mobs all at once. Create light and darkness SC.

Still not convinced? Try them out.

I did 9k/hour for 2.5 hours yesterday in a NIN WAR RNG BRD RDM WHM party, aka lacking quite a lot of damage compared to a 3 MNK / 4 RNG party lol.
The key point in that party was having a new monster in camp ready for a beating when the previous one dies so the melees don't even have to draw their weapons and chain hiiiiiigh. Remember, a 100 exp mob gives 150 exp from chain 5 onwards, kill 1 mob per minute to keep chain and you're home safe in exp heaven.