Selling World of Warcraft In-Game Content for Real Money : World of Warcraft General Discussions

[tault_psalm23]

On a different note like the new layout

Needs some border fixing but its pretty nice

very nice admin

[Guest]

Sorry, you said "close" to 100k, that threw me off. Because every other post you act like it was 100k exactly. Let's say you earned $75,000...I guess that could be considered close to 100k.

Now, let's say the bank gave you a $325,000 mortgage on your house. Most mortgages are between fifteen years and thirty years. Let's say you got the longest mortgage possible, thirty years. With a thirty year mortgage, your monthly payment is lowest. Now, let's be generous and say that you got this mortgage at 12% interest. Mortgage rates are fairly low, but 12% is still a damn good interest rate.

Your mortgage payment comes out to $3342.99 a month. Most banks will not give you a mortgage where your payment exceeds 28% of your monthly income. Let's do the math on that, shall we? You would have to make more than $12,000 month for a mortgage company to even consider you for that mortgage. Once again, you must be a doctor or a lawyer...and a damn good one at that.

Let's even say that you are still making great money selling duped credits from MMO's. A mortgage company has no way of seeing what you average, and probably has no idea of how the credit-duping market works. If they don't understand it, they aren't going to take a risk because someone swears there's money in it.

You're a doctor, take out a thirty year mortgage...bank says "in thirty years the world will still need doctors, I am willing to loan this money because I believe he will still be making good money in thirty years". I highly doubt the bank will say "credit duping is the wave of the future, thirty years from now he can reliably be selling credits within a game that has threatened to take legal action against this income of his".

You're full of it. You got on this message board thinking nobody would know the ins and outs of real estate and you could boast whatever ridiculous claim you wanted without scrutiny. The sad reality is that you probably live in your mother's basement and have no idea of what she pays for that house because you've never worked an honest enough living to even consider renting a home, much less buying one.

[tault_psalm23]

WHERE DID I SAY MY HOUSE COST $300,000?

[tault_psalm23]

and 12%? jesus man where do you live.

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Check out this site and then come back here with your 12% loans. If banks could get people with 12% loans they would be driving gold s made of gold and only people with with millions could get houses.

You're an idiot.

[Guest]

You must not know the value of money or you live in a trailer park. 100k will not buy you any mansion where I live. You have to spend around 400K.

That's where I got the impression that you paid $400,000 for your house. The way you worded it "you have to spend", as opposed to "you would have to spend". You have to spend implies that you spent that much, you would have to spend implies that somebody buying a mansion would have to spend that much.

Why can't you give me the city or state? I'd just like to find property values for your area.

1 million credits for $60, that was your average?

Somewhere around 2,300 transactions bought credits off of you in four months? Nineteen people a day were buying credits off of you on average, correct? Is there any website you can link me or anything you can send me that would prove that you had one of the best four-month runs in credit duping period?

When you brought up the fact that you had another job, it implied that your second job had anything to do with your home purchase. Apparently not, since your credit duping has paid for your house completely.

How does your account getting banned affect your $138,000? You had to take a chunk of that out to pay the IRS, a chunk to pay ebay, how does the banned account factor into that $138,000?

You had 100k, plus the sale of a house you already owned? What did that house sell for? If it sold for $80,000 and you made $100,000, why did you buy a house that only cost around $100,000? You do realize that you imply in that sentence that you combined the money you had with the money you made off of selling a house right? Where did you live while the first house was being sold and the second house was not purchased yet?

Did you not make much money off of the previous house because it was mortgaged up to the sky? Just give me as much information on that first house you bought as you are willing to give.

[tault_psalm23]

You must not know the value of money or you live in a trailer park. 100k will not buy you any mansion where I live. You have to spend around 400K. You asked if I spent my 100k for a mansion and I said it would cost 400K for a mansion, never said I bought one

That's where I got the impression that you paid $400,000 for your house. The way you worded it "you have to spend", as opposed to "you would have to spend". You have to spend implies that you spent that much, you would have to spend implies that somebody buying a mansion would have to spend that much. YOU have to spend, not I SPENT. I SPENT implies that I spent 400K.

Why can't you give me the city or state? I'd just like to find property values for your area. cause I dont really care what you want.

1 million credits for $60, that was your average? 20 million credits $120

Somewhere around 2,300 transactions bought credits off of you in four months? Nineteen people a day were buying credits off of you on average, correct? Is there any website you can link me or anything you can send me that would prove that you had one of the best four-month runs in credit duping period? I sold in bulk not one million at a time. And you could look at Ebay, but since I'm stilling selling items I'm not going to give you my current name, but I will give you the one that was banned moutain_man. It was banned by VeRo, but it takes a lot of emails for them to ban you. Then I just made another account.

When you brought up the fact that you had another job, it implied that your second job had anything to do with your home purchase. Apparently not, since your credit duping has paid for your house completely.

How does your account getting banned affect your $138,000? You had to take a chunk of that out to pay the IRS, a chunk to pay ebay, how does the banned account factor into that $138,000? It doesn't, just some extra stuff for you to know I guess. I paid the IRS 9K (filed with Jackson Hewitt and the guy gave me tons of tips) and with ebay and paypal taking money out it wasn't $138K, I don't know what it was. But it wasn't 75k

You had 100k, plus the sale of a house you already owned? What did that house sell for? If it sold for $80,000 and you made $100,000, why did you buy a house that only cost around $100,000? You do realize that you imply in that sentence that you combined the money you had with the money you made off of selling a house right? Where did you live while the first house was being sold and the second house was not purchased yet? That last question proves that you know nothing about real estate at all. I was still living in the house when it was being sold. When my agent said we had a showing I would clean it up and then leave for an hour. I ended up doing a bridge loan for 2 houses. After I closed on my new house I sold my first house with in a week so it all came up good. I owed 64K on my first house and sold it for 91K which means I made around 20K with agent fees and closing cost and other stupid !@#$%^*. So with the 20K and the 100K I bought a house around 100K and fixed it up a bit, now I have my money from my job that I still have and some money in the bank. So I have a nice job, plus 2 cars and a house that are paid off. The house I bought for a 100k just because it's only around 10K more doesn't mean it was the same kind of house. My new house is much bigger and on flat land (I hated cutting grass on a hill). How hard is that to understand?

Did you not make much money off of the previous house because it was mortgaged up to the sky? Just give me as much information on that first house you bought as you are willing to give. How hard is it for you to think someone can make tons of money off online games? Look at Ebay and start adding stuff up. And ebay is not the only place. I did sell a ton of credits to IGE.com and playerauctions.com and to a couple people who had bought from me in the past and just went straight to me and not through ebay. You will find a ton of people saying things on the net about selling is ok and some saying it's illegal, but as far as I know no one has taken anyone to court and until they do it's still a grey area.

Wow is a great game that the programers and dev shave done awesome things with, like soul bounding items so they can't be sold to others from ebay. They have stepped up their game and I hope other game makers do the same.

[tault_deamon]

who the !@#$%^* are you mr. Guest who can't even buy a 25.00 subscription to talk !@#$%^* wiht a name to back you up. Cheap coward. Go back to you job at best buy.

Only the weak and worthless are spending time calling someone out on the internet to "prove" something.

btw.. i know psalm from other forums. I know he made his money. Hell off of 2 dupes and 2 accts i made 5k each dupe.

[tault_psalm23]

btw.. i know psalm from other forums.

Yes, I am a whore.

[Tault_admin]

I made it so you have to log in to talk in these forums now. Sorry

[tault_psalm23]

Just want to say I had nothing to do with this, but thanks, that way I know which "guest" I have to argue with.

[tault_elixir073]

Another possible way for people to sell items is to say in their terms that they are not actually selling the item. They are merely providing a service by procurring the item for you. Also, by stating in their term that the buyer shall take responsibility of all legal action that could come.

[tault_bobbybudds]

good !@#$%^* psalm. What UO server did you play and did you make much off UO? I know lots of people did. Creative ways to make money are better then going and working a job and slaving for someone else to make them money and taking home a small percentage of what you are making for them. Why do people think you should just get a job and make it the "honest" way. How is your way not honest. People wanted to buy a product you had, and you sold it. You duped some credits in a game. OH KNOW Sony doesn't have billions as it is. Good !@#$%^*, and I'm proud of ya you actually made enough to give you a boost ahead in life. Did they fix the duping in SWG, I wish I would have played now =(

[tault_psalm23]

I played on Drachenfels. I had about 80 million gold with towers and keeps. I exploited the game, but never duped. I made my money camping houses and placing houses and towers.

As for SWG, I did dupe which I guess is not "honest" but oh well. The dupe is fixed.

[tault_bobbybudds]

Ya I never was around during the duping in UO but I did make some money not as much as you. I loved that game so much until they kept making it worse and worse. I still have a L tower on LS but i think they are worth like 100 RL these days.

[tault_tiktok]

-Someone distributes your work you have created. There is also a law somewhere out there that states that you have the right distribute some elses work as long as the owner is making a profit, or the distributer isnt making any profit from it. This is why Kazaa is up and running, because people can share p2p wise. This is also why people dont get sued for singing some elses song at chereoky night. Now if you take a girl that can sing well and you go and make her sing a britney spears song and you charge people for it, then you have your copyright TAULT CENSORED.

Sorry im just a bit drunk from today/yesturday or 2004/2005 yaaaaaaaaaaaaa go 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!! wooooooooooooooooooo

This is flat out false. You do not have the right to distribute someone else's intellectual property regardless of profit or loss. Kazaa is up and running b/c it is a facilitator, and kazaa itself is not distributing anything. It is still 100% illegal to share copyrighted files via kazaa, but impossible to police, which is why the movie and music industries are doing backflips to try to discourage it, with little success.

There ARE instances where you can reproduce and distribute intellectual property: Academia and Journalism. For instance, if I'm a teacher teaching a class (actually I AM a teacher), I can make copies of stuff for use in my class. If I'm writing a review in a magazine, I can use images or quotes.

The issue is the question of Blizz's terms of use. They are a private company running a game on a subscription basis. You agree to the terms when you sign up. If you don't like them, then don't play the game. If you try to get around them, don't be surprised if you get banned.