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lmao...is this another best dd thread now?
all jokeing aside all jobs asside from whm and brd can out damage another depending on waht mab they fight. infact id even say that a whm could outdamage a rng at some lvls when fighting bones..
this is all dependent on what you are fighting and what lvl you are and if in pty or solo
solo rng is not a good dd yes they can hit an IT for 2982uber9823awsome dmg but can they take a hit?
drg dkn blm rng war(yes war) mnk thf(big chunks if SATA possible) bst (will outdamage all in alot of cases) smn (yup ive seen some awsome #'s from them also) nin (DoT not bad with att gear and hasted) sam (you know they can dish it out also) so wtf sotp with the this is better dd cause it depends on alot of things gear mob lvl solo or not HNM NM reg mob if its IT VT EM so find out how to make yourself do the best you can and dont be supprised if someone with a (lesser DD job) out does you cause they know more then you do.

Beastmaster are not just Solo


Beastmaster in ptys are very useful and are good at DD. Depending on the area they can even save the pty. I can easly prove the worth Beastmaster. They are a one person pty. Overall they will outdamge anyclass. Dont believe. They are the only job that can successfully solo the whole time. If they can Solo with a little practice they can easly be some of the best members in the team.

As a puller.

They sent out the pet. While the pty is resting let the pet die and then fight it with pty. Which means no down times. They can also call back the pet and use it in the fight. Once the pty is fighting they can skillchain with someone and do another Specail attack with their pet.

Ranger vs Beastmaster

Can a Ranger Solo? NO.
Can a Ranger outdamage a Beastmaster? The answer to this in the long run is NO. ONE and for most guest what a Beastmaster has Ranger abilities they also hit harder in melee. A ranger can outdamge a Beastmaster but overall NO.

Why you ask simple.
Beastmaster and his even PET and 2hr and keep that PET alive with FOOD. PETs are allot faster then party members for one. They also have their Specials. Their combined Damge is what the Ranger has to match and no matter how good that Ranger is it is not possible. Rember that a Ranger has Big DD. Big # but a what speed and Frequency. A Beastmaster is a constant hitting machine that can Solo the enemy you are fighting in most cases.

Only reason Beastmasters dont get pty is because people dont know what they can do. They are also afraid about the xp loss that only affects the Beastmaster. I have been in Ptys that think I am taking their XP down when I charm a decent PET.

Good Beastmaster with Decent gear make good DD too. They have some Range and depending on sub can be very useful.

Another Reason they dont PTY is because they dont like Retards since they can charm decents and fight toughs. Why suffer with a pty. ALso they get alll the LOOT when they solo.

DONT believe
I can Solo and get by myslef over 4kxp per hour CAN YOU.

Let anyclass try that. They only other class that i know that can Solo is Summoner but no where near as good as a Beastmaster

Ummm last post is not directed to anyone.

Just think that Beastmaster get over looked allot and that is a Fact not opion.

Beastmaster/Thieve + Pet
Rng/Nin or Sam
Pld/war
Thieve/Nin
Black/SMN
WHite/SMN

Beastmaster/War + Pet
Rng/Nin or Sam <-- Red/SMN, SMN/WHITE or Black/SMN or any DD
PLD/WAR
BRD/WHITE
WHITE/SMN
Black/SMN, Red/SMN, SMN/WHITE or any DD

3 Beastmaster/ Thieve and 3 EVEN PETS +2HR = almost 3 pty since they can all SOLO
1 PLD/WAR
1 WHITE/SMN
1 DD remeber u can either have 1 GOOD PC DD which include Ranger or Get Another BST / THF and really have fun!
=FUN

Only problems with Beastmaster is they usually wont PTY with Losers since they can SOLO and while it make take them longer to lvl up they get everything. Bunch of greedy bastards... I should lvl my BST more

By the way 2k per hour is bad. I did say it before but as a refresher.

2k is Bad Pty. Good for Skilling i guess

4k is still bad but normarl

6k is good

8k or more are very good ptys.

30k/ 5=
6k

This is usually what i make in ptys about 6k per hour.

Sometimes more, but most of the times less.

a party that makes 2k an hour is doing poorly and needs to rethink their game plan, another thing is, i watched a NA/JP party last night that my fiancee what in, lvl 56 boyada tree, knight crawlers, and robber crabs, setup was as follows

SMN/BRD
RDM/WHM
NIN/WAR
MNK/WAR
WAR/NIN
BLM/WHM

they were getting about 10k an hour, SMN/BRD ballad + refresh from RDM/WHM, to both SMN and BLM, kept BLM up and running as NIN and MNK and WAR did SC after SC, food was used don't know what it was, SMN and RDM healed, Cure III and Cure IV, but still got her from 56-59 in about 3 hours, she had a blast and they asked her to be apart of a static come this next weekend... so props to her and those guys

I like my 13K/hour killing bones in KRT 4mns 1 brd 1 whm

2k an hour is like soloing EPs every job cab do ...

Yea.. i discovered that you can get even more exp at higher levels. Low lvl pt can't get that fast.

i was in a party of 4 and was getting 3k+ an hour in dunes so i know it can happen

pld/war <----------- me
blm/whm
whm/blm
rdm/blm

i didn't have a bow so i just provoked pulled Cure provoke.
as the blm nuked
rdm bioed and stuff
whm healer me

and we were taking down it's better then the 6 people pt down the beach
so if your getting 2k an hour you need to saying the following line {I'm sorry} {I'm tried.} get a replacement and relook for pt.

Alex2001, I don't normally post but couldn't resist, seeing several posts from you about xp and xp/hr comments. The comments I've seen from you just simply doesn't occur for most people including you.

Using typical party setups, igoring manaburns and things like that, you are gonna average typically 3-5k/hr. Yes you can get higher, but not common and lower (if alot of people afk and DC). To say 4k/hr is poor, leads me to believe you have no clue as to what xp/hr you get. You apparently need to learn to calculate your xp/hr rate accurately (especially the part of how long it took to earn that xp) or that you go by the xp/hr "feel" [killing alot so it must be 8-10k/hr], especially after reading "I started at lvl 14 about 2k TNL after about 1 HR I was 16. Add that up wow. Yup I know I was very impressed and happy too." That was 5.4k in one hour and only a guessed hour at that. So where is your 10k/hr?

"Any PTY that is making 4k per hour is POOR
Any PTY that is making 6k per hour is GOOD"

5.4k that "hour" is only poor/good on your list and to think you were "impressed and happy".... which is it?

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People at 75 do not have much choice on fighting either low IT mobs or VT, much like what you are saying. Guess what the xp rate isn't 8-10k/hr and it's not because of sucky people/afk/dc/etc.... This is also for a moving party where you literally don't camp or rest and pull non-stop. You'll see 6-7k+/hr and that's IF you keep the chain going nto the Chain #10+ range (aka more than chain #5) and do it often. When the chain breaks your xp/hr rate just took a BIG dive.

However, unlike what you've said in another post, you DO have to have the area to your self to achieve this (for your doones pt), otherwise there are not enough mobs to sustain a higher than average xp/rate. Basically what I'm saying if you aren't a mobile pt, you ain't getting nothing near 8-10k/hr (something which you aren't in the doones, nor would you get with typical PT setup). The spawn rates are too slow to continuously chain mobs.

Now...

"Also if you have a Permanet Pty and are making 5K YOU SUCK. A permenat PTY should easily be able to make at least 8K at that is if the area is shared with another PTY. "

8k (inflated) and shared? absolutely not..........

He dont know me very well do he! Hehehehe

Ohh this is going to be fun is been a while too ;p
JOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

100 X 60min = Holy Sh+it 6k/PHR

Let me Quote MYSELF


alex2001 Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:20 am Post subject:

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By the way 2k per hour is bad. I did say it before but as a refresher.

2k is Bad Pty. Good for Skilling i guess

4k is still bad but normarl <---- YOU DONT READ MUCH DO YOU

6k is good <-- A Permanet PTY should at least be able to do this.

8k or more are very good ptys.

30k/ 5hrs=
6k

This is usually what i make in ptys about 6k per hour.

Sometimes more, but most of the times less.

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AS for your Reply lets see were to start

Using typical party setups, igoring manaburns and things like that, you are gonna average typically 3-5k/hr.<--Are you stupid mana burns when done Properly do at least 6k!) Yes you can get higher, but not common and lower (if alot of people afk and DC)<-- ?? If they are AWAY YOU ARE NOT PTYING YOU ARE WAITING IDIOT. I dont know about you but when I am waiting I go have a snack or take a break since again we are not doing anything. I GUESS YOU COUNT THE TIME YOUR WAITING FOR PTY TOO POOR STUPID ONE). To say 4k/hr is poor, leads me to believe you have no clue as to what xp/hr you get. You apparently need to learn to calculate your xp/hr rate accurately (especially the part of how long it took to earn that xp) or that you go by the xp/hr "feel" [killing alot so it must be 8-10k/hr], especially after reading "I started at lvl 14 about 2k TNL after about 1 HR I was 16. Add that up wow. Yup I know I was very impressed and happy too." That was 5.4k in one hour and only a guessed hour at that.<-- SIMPLE HAVE YOU FOUGHT IN THE DUNES LATELY. BY the way 2k + 3.6kTotal XP for lvl 15 = 5.6K per/HR without a PL is SOFA-KING AWSOME Not to mention that I got a buffer which was more than 1k but I leave it at 5.6K So where is your 10k/hr?<-- This are very RARE PTYS and Almost impossible in the DUNES. I have gotten close to it in the dunes but it is very rare to this before lvl 30 were pty start to get a CLUE!

Also I stated and highlighted for you the Normal PTY does 4k. But since you didn't bother read you don't know that.

4k Normal
6k GOOD
+8k Great

Another thing if you are only used to playing with NA you might never see those high XP ptys. I have played for over a YEAR JUNIOR dont piss me off with stupid insults and without any facts or at least your esperience in the game.

Lets see what else from your words of Stupidity err I mean Wisdom. I will Humor this one some more.

People at 75 do not have much choice on fighting either low IT mobs or VT, much like what you are saying. Guess what the xp rate isn't 8-10k/hr and it's not because of sucky people/afk/dc/etc.... This is also for a moving party where you literally don't camp or rest and pull non-stop. You'll see 6-7k+/hr and that's IF you keep the chain going nto the Chain #10+ range (aka more than chain #5) and do it often. When the chain breaks your xp/hr rate just took a BIG dive.<-- IF your pty cant kill MOBS in 1 min and get 100xp what kind of set up do you have. This whole part is laughable. Chain # 10 and you are only breaking 6k pituful or you just can add and are stupid which i think its the case

However, unlike what you've said in another post, you DO have to have the area to your self to achieve this (for your doones pt), otherwise there are not enough mobs to sustain a higher than average xp/rate. Basically what I'm saying if you aren't a mobile pt, you ain't getting nothing near 8-10k/hr (something which you aren't in the [d]doones[/d]<-- What the hell is this), nor would you get with typical PT setup). The spawn rates are too slow to continuously chain mobs. <-- Again this is lack of experience. I have been in many areas were we dont run out of mobs. Most ptys dont use them because YOU HAVE BE GOOD AND HAVE SOME KIND OF SKILL. Why because you will get LINKS. Just because you got 75 does not MEAN SH+IT. At least try to make a point next time!

Now...

"Also if you have a Permanet Pty and are making 5K YOU SUCK. A permenat PTY should easily be able to make at least 8K at that is if the area is shared with another PTY. " <-- Where did you get this from. I tried to look for it but could not find it. Anyway if you are in a Permanet Pty and are only doing 5k. You are just NORMAL PTY PICK UP that all. I been a part of Permanet PTY and we usually do at least 6k. This only means we are BETTER THAN YOU THAT ALL! lol

8k (inflated) and shared? absolutely not..........<---/sigh is this a comment qoute what you have no idea how hard it is to Rip you apart when you dont even quote me. Any Way I stated and quoted Myself 6kper/hr IS GOOD
8Kper/hr IS F**KING GREAT.


I am sorry if I Hurt your feeling but NExt time put some effort into your reply espcially when you challenge some one.

I Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did since I had allot of FUN its been a while since someone. Gave me a reason to Reply. It was so Blunt too Thank YOU

Have a Great Day and Enjoy!

You have been Served!
This Serving Had some SPICE to it though! ;P

AAHHHHhhhh that was fun!

I have found that if you want lots of exp per hour, you need to camp areas that are not popular. During prime time, you will almost never see near 3k exp/hr in the dunes or any place like that under lvl 40. Either you will have trouble finding a chain above 2 ... or your pick up party will be full of newbs. Please, do not confuse them with the 'noob' ... as the newbs are just new people, the 'noob' are the idiots that have been playing forever but still don't know how ^^

I always try to have a static party from lvl 10 to 40. It helps out so much. If you can talk your people into going to CoP mission or Zilart mission areas to level you can usually be sure you have people that know what they are doing.

Promy-dem/mea/holla was awesome exp for my ls static from 27-32. As you probably know this is a 30 cap area but you can get exp no matter what level you are when you are here. Just don't plan on coming here to level much above 35 ^^; (I did level up to like 60whm here though during a promy enm run once lol) If you get here in a pick up party, I would try to stick to wanderers but other mobs can work to depending on your set up. Here, we had pld, thf, drg, and 3 black mages/white mage sub. We had no need for a main healer as these died so fast and if we did run into problems, the zone was right behind us. As you get to lvl 30+ you will have to get to the spire entrance first and camp right at the zone. Just try to keep the majority of the mobs you hunt VT/IT. If you get links ... you can zone right behind you. The fights rarely lasted us more than a minute (skillchain +3 mb, drops mobs quickly). We made about 25k exp in just under 4 hours. Covert this to levels when you are starting here at 28 ... I was 32 when we went to kill the ENM before we left. After the enm, I was 33. 6 people in your pt get 3k each from this one kill that has rarely taken more than 5 mins for me.

Phom.Aquaducts is good too when you get a little more lvls up. Lufaise Meadows ... almost all the areas you have to do specific missions with 'somewhat' talented players will have many mobs to kill. You won't find many people running around in Hall of the Gods that don't know what SATA is lol ... and yes, I've seen people in 50+ pt's that don't know what skillchains are too. (that is a clue to leave to if you don't know lol)

If you have a good group of people; you can do promy enm runs once a week. You can get 9-10k exp in under 2hrs reguardless of your level ... sometimes this is better than you can find in other areas lol. With no aggro, you can get to the promy ENM in about 10-15 minutes. Hey and you can even get a few good items possibly? ^^

I been in pt with my bro rng that he went from lvl 73-75 in just like 5hrs now thats pro pt

2k seems really really low like everyone else has already said lol I suppose your guide isn't very effective lol

lmao, 3-4k an hour is nothing

Right now, if the party isnt making atleast 5-7k an hour im out.

Plus, if youre doing any type of burn party (Manaburn) you should be gettin 9-11k an hour easily