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Posted: October 27th, 2007, 10:14 am
 
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Im not sure you will find anybody who can do code injection/code shifting.

I can, but although ill help players with tutorials etc, I dont condone the use of hacks/trainers/bots.

But good luck in finding someone :)


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Posted: October 27th, 2007, 1:14 pm
 
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the_dabhand wrote:
Im not sure you will find anybody who can do code injection/code shifting.

I can, but although ill help players with tutorials etc, I dont condone the use of hacks/trainers/bots.

But good luck in finding someone :)


You sound like you dont have a clue what your talking about, good luck at getting better at bullshitting.

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Posted: October 27th, 2007, 4:24 pm
 
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tut tut tut

I wouldnt go there.

Lets just say the most ill use CE for is searching for values, I like to use Sice for the harder things.

Search for me name, im sure you will find interesting things out there, without the word "The" in my name.

EDIT: Be sure to include ASM along with my name.


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Posted: October 28th, 2007, 12:43 pm
 
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@dabhand

Interesting. Ill leave this alone and just assume your the same person.

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Posted: October 28th, 2007, 4:52 pm
 
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Not to worry, lets just say you were protecting a place you like to visit alot :)


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Posted: October 28th, 2007, 11:37 pm
 
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I think you misunderstand what they are looking for. They are just looking for somebody that can find offsets. Ie read this memory offset to get player HP, or read this memory loc to get a pointer to the mob array, etc. From my experience, that accounts for 95% of all the bots here.

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Posted: October 29th, 2007, 12:08 pm
 
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Although CE is good at finding pointers etc, you will could come across pointers that require access from .dll's and that will require code shifting.


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Posted: October 29th, 2007, 1:40 pm
 
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CE is good, but there are alot better software out there. But I think the point still is just to find people that are willing and able to help find memory offsets/functions/hooks, etc for various games. There are alot of people with spare time on their hands that like doing that kind of work.

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Posted: October 29th, 2007, 5:08 pm
 
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Yeah there is better out there, Sice for example, but as I said if any game decides to use dll's for functions, simple offset's etc wont work they will need to know how to code shift.

If you change anything in a dll file it will remain permanently as the dll files are not allocated memory locations like for example an executable.

And ive seen a few mmorpg's going that route, so you will need someone with a very very good knowledge of game hacking eventually.


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Posted: October 29th, 2007, 5:25 pm
 
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the_dabhand wrote:
Yeah there is better out there, Sice for example, but as I said if any game decides to use dll's for functions, simple offset's etc wont work they will need to know how to code shift.

If you change anything in a dll file it will remain permanently as the dll files are not allocated memory locations like for example an executable.

And ive seen a few mmorpg's going that route, so you will need someone with a very very good knowledge of game hacking eventually.


I've never heard of sice before, could you give me a link please?

Games that code-shift really arent all that troublesome. Find the base address of the dll that contains the values your looking for and go from there. The hardest part is writing the code that will find the base address, but its pretty much smooth sailing from there.

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Posted: October 29th, 2007, 9:55 pm
 
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i think he is refering to softice as sice.


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Posted: October 30th, 2007, 3:01 am
 
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Easy for us, but what about people who think they know :P

But Softice you cant get for love nor money these days, you have to pay big bucks for it, try numega's website.

But I think numega may have been bought out.

EDIT: I was right, its compuware now.


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Posted: October 30th, 2007, 1:44 pm
 
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@dabhand

why do you keep using the term 'code shifting'? other than dynamic memory allocation, what do you even mean?

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Posted: October 30th, 2007, 5:12 pm
 
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how did this news post become a general discuission post?


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Posted: October 30th, 2007, 5:55 pm
 
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kourath wrote:
@dabhand

Interesting. Ill leave this alone and just assume your the same person.


Pffft I won't leave it alone.
SoftICE? Man i'm old school enough to remember and have used SoftICE ...I also know it went to crap Win2000. It was very limited on what hardware it could run on for starters. But than it was also buggy AS HELL.
Think since XP everyone has been using MS WinDbg crap (it costs $0.00) which works unless your doing some really freaky low level driver stuff.
But I'm far from being any kind of expert on this subject unless your a historian. Last time I reversed anything was in SoftIce running on Win98.

I think our friendly admin/moderators are asking for people to do code injection into apps so they can nicely interface and read variables in that program instead of trying to randomly hit a moving target in the dark.
They are NOT asking for people to smash inject trainer code which really wouldn't work in MMORPG world. OR it shouldn't work but thats where exploits are born.


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