Selling World of Warcraft In-Game Content for Real Money : World of Warcraft General Discussions - Page 2

why would you even buy items....
only thing i got to say

The whole point of the `yes I agree to the above terms' (just like signing the agreement on this homepage) is that YOU are AGREEING to the terms...
Breech the contract and be sued etc... it's that simple.
Don't like it? Don't agree... find something else to make money from, like um a JOB for instance...

its IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of this.

They can put whatever they want in there, doesn't mean that it'll fly in court. I believe Kazaa was told their EULA was not right by a court for sneaking something in there a few years ago about the whole BDE thing.

roflmao

At first they reported it as second income, then I had it changed to a hobby which you only have to pay 10% on. With a $3000 ira and some kids bonus I only had to pay the $9000 to the irs. At first it was over $15,000 which blew my mind, but I figured if I made 100K then 15K wouldn't be so bad, but 9K is even better.

The reason there is a legal problem here is the question, is there actually an "item" being sold. I personally think the answer is no. We paid for the game and the things that we do on our computer in the game are ours, therefore the images produced by the game on our screen are not owned by Blizzard. The question of an item exhisting is another one, does the iteam actually exhist? Copyright infingement does not have some broad all encompasing power, if I write a curse word in a book I bought and never show it to anyone have I broken the law? They have every right under the terms of use to kick you out of the game, but they wouldn't win one penny sueing for copyright infringment.

[Quote]We paid for the game and the things that we do on our computer in the game are ours, therefore the images produced by the game on our screen are not owned by Blizzard.[Quote]

Wrong!
Until such time as you learn how to model a 3D model from scratch, UV it, paint the textures in Photoshop etc, rig it and animate it for use in the game, you own nothing of the intellectual property of the game.
Blizzard paid operators to make a product for them, they own that intellectual properly, they own the world in which your little gaming avatar runs around doing what ever. The objects don't just get made by gnomes for you to wear, real people make the items, get paid to make them and Blizzard pays these people for the rights of owership.
If you buy WOW you don't suddenly OWN wow, you can't go and setup your own server, you can strip out the engine and sell the product for your own gain because you don't OWN WOW. You own the rights to a subscription to play the game, what comes on the cd is the content that you are, by contract allowed to use to play the game but not sell on, redistribute etc.
The debate here is the whole time thing... `I've bought my account.. and that item I got for my character, well no one else has it, I found it on my time while paying for the right to find it in game, so I should be able to do what ever I like with it, I own the character and any items that belong to it...'
Now in the context of the game, sure you should be able to AH it, and you are allowed to do this, where the issues come in is here, you don't `own' the creation of that item, from it's inception as a design from an in house designer, to the leader gfx artist making it the very best it can be for distrubtion for the game. There fore the money that Blizzard paid to make that item gives them rights of ownership. You can't just go off and sell that in the real world for money, because you don't own the intellectual property that MADE IT. Sure you own the time it took to get it, but if you want someting for that you're limited to getting pay back INSIDE the game.
IProp is a huge on going issue atm due to arguements such as duplication for example, (when you view an image on you computer through your browser, storing that image on the HD *which the damn things do by default* could be considered a breech of copywrite due to the fact it's a duplication.. YES IT"S STRANGE!)
I don't dissagree it's a mess, but when Blizzard go out of their way to state that you can not sell on, in game items for real world profit because they own the materials that make world of warcraft and you don't, you can either Agree, or Dissagree.
Where it gets really interesting in my opinion is selling of characters/accounts... screw the debate about items etc because imo that's cut and dry, but characters...

i didn't laugh because of the taxes you paid. i laughed because after 8 years of online playing i still can't believe how there is people stupid enough to buy "online game items" for real money and how it's possible that corporations like blizzard don't sue and prison motherfuc-kers like you.

btw: i checked ebay and in fact it seems that you made a lot of money, but besides the taxes, you also had to pay a nice % to ebay (that's why they permit selling virtual crap, because they make the hell of money in comissions out of it.)

so, congratulations on making money abusing on exploits in games and abusing on all that dumb retards who paid you. congratulations, but i still think you are an as-shole and a motherfuc-ker for gaining the money like you did, while ~30% of earth population is dieying from hunger and ~65% have to work hard to get money (gelous me? don't get me wrong, i'm not!)

btw: did you donate something to the tsunami victims? surely not.

ps: i know swg is not from blizzard, i mentioned blizzard coz in diablo2 happened the same "ebaying items" !@#$%^&* and this forum is talking about wow, which in fact, is from blizzard.

its so funny and jerky that u really discuss things like that. one should rather discuss what kind of funny and jerky people are those players that offer money for ingame items.
if they would have been pre birth abolished the world would be a better one

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i made that money at the end of 2003, I used that money to buy a house.

100k to buy a house?
uh huh
Big mansion I suppose? With 6 bedrooms, a spa and pool?
Doubt the banks are gunna give you a loan when you write down
`Primary income : Everquest (or what ever)'

Still each to their own.. I'd prefer to continue earning my solid 100k+ a year doing a job... and buying a house worth 500k that I can actually live in... *shrug*