Selling World of Warcraft In-Game Content for Real Money : World of Warcraft General Discussions - Page 5

this is business.someone wants an item..and i have it.i quote 100 bucks.As long, he's willing to pay, i'm willing to sell.just like real life~





let me quote something else.let's say someone wanna buy platinum and platinum is rare.You know of a way 2 get cheap or maybe free.Don't tell me u won't sell to tat guy and earn easy money?

The problem with your platinum example is that you can actually buy and sell platinum on the commodities market using real money. You don't OWN in-game objects, so they're not yours to sell. Said objects are someone else's intellectual property. Regardless of what you THINK you own, the fact is that the law is on the side of Blizzard. They wrote the code, they own it, period. Blizzard has taken a very smart approach: they make the rules on a closed system. If you want to be in the system, you have to follow the rules or they boot you with no recourse. If you're stupid enough to try to take them to court, you lose. A judge will laugh you out of court.

Someone else did make an interesting point about the distinction between "selling" and "procuring." I think that Blizz would probably not see the distinction. Splitting hairs is still contary to the spirit of the game.

Now, all that said, I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just saying that if you do it, realize that whatever justification you dream up to ease your concience is a steaming load of crap, and you shouldn't whine about it being unfair.

There have been 2 court cases about this already.

One was in China and the person won, not the company.

The second one the people suing funcom didn't have enough money to continue to pay their lawyers.

Until Blizzard tries to sue someone, or someone sues blizzard and it goes to court people can only guess what is going to happen.

Blizz isn't going to sue for damages... that's a waste of their time and money. They're just going to make it prohibitively difficult to abuse rules if you get caught. The way Blizz has it set up, there is no legal issue to sue over: they set the rules for their system. You follow them, or you get booted. They're not sueing, they're controlling behavior through access to their system, which is perfectly legal. No judge will rule that Blizz HAS to allow someone access to their system who has abused their rules.

First off, props to all you ebay sellers, way to jump on the bandwagon and make money, Good for you. Secondly..To all you idiots who keep whining about Psalms money making scheme....Maybe he did, maybe he didn't why are you so worried about it? So you have to work twice as hard to make $100K. Boo Hoo, At the current payscale of the US Army it's going to take me about 25 years to save $100,000. Am I hating on Psalm for this, Nope, it's called buisness no matter where the morality is it is buisness either way. And No he is not the equivilant of a drug dealer (One of the page 1 or 2 posts) Anywho, The real issue here is not how much good fortune Psalm had, it's The question of what Blizz Should or Should not be able to do (Notice I did not say can or cannot) When you buy a copy of WOW you are buying a User Licsence and a copy of the client software. You are not buying the right to use the software to make money, if you were meant to make a profit off of Blizzard's software, it wouldn't be no $49.99.

A good example of how you CAN make money off of another person's program is Medical Billing software. It costs me anywhere from $300 to $1500 to buy ONe program that allows me to fill out all the paperwork needed to send Superbills off to insurance companies. That is an investment that I will make back in a month or two , but the point is the software was MEANT to be used to make money. Blizzard has EVERY right to ban people for selling items and making profit off their game engine. Your user liscense does NOT stipulate that you are allowed to make a profit off of their game, It doesn't really matter WHO goes to court, they won't win. So for all of you who feel the need to cry about it...stop take a breath and step back, look at it from an objective standpoint.

As for the flames that I'm sure will follow this, just remeber your some !@#$%^&* who wants free money with no understanding of how corperate buisness works, and I'm just a prick on a screen, why bother wasting your last three braincells insulting someone who really doesn't care about what you have to say?

Well said.

Now if I could only learn to spell, I might be able to get a decent job.

Blizz has threaten legal action againist people who have set up their own private servers and have won.

All it takes is one case. I can this this happening very soon. Some people like IGE (chinese IP addresses) are the farmers and who know there is a market out there for virtual property. They want a piece of that market.

Now you can agrue all you want about what Blizzard has in their EULA, but as any lawyer know every contract has loopholes, and like I exploit games, they will exploit those loopholes.

Thinking back I remember Kazza had something in their EULA that said in order to install Kazaa you had to have BDE spyware placed on your computer. Courts told them to take it out. Blizzard after a patch could right "Anyone clicking OK will have to pay us a $20 extra this month for use of services"

From what a lawyer friend told me. They can put whatever they want in their EULA, but it doesn't always mean it's going to hold up in court. Tons of contracts are broken or sidepassed everyday. This could just be another one of those contracts.

Couldn't they fix this by capping how much gold one account can send/trade without getting anything in return? The companies, I'm sure, hand out thousands of gold pieces a day. Then if you need to break the cap for whatever reason it could be done through a GM, so then it's moderated.

Or, why doesn't Blizzard just sell the gold themselves. There's obviously a high demand for it. They could make a crapton of money and those people that really, really want that elite mount can pay a crazy price for it, legally.

As far as power leveling goes, is paying someone to play a game for you illegal? How? You're sucking the fun out of the game by missing storyline, new areas, and questing with friends, but illegal? I think not.

It'd also be pretty cool that for every month you pay to play WoW they have you one or five gold for remaining a member.

Dunno. Just thinking aloud.

Well I haven't seen in the EULA where it states power leveling is not allowed. Maybe I missed that line? Anyone want to correc tme?

I feel like an !@#$%^&* now. I was cerain that the EULA said somenthing about Power Leveling. I gotta run to work, but I skimmed it quick and didn't see anything.

My bad.

If Blizzard sells gold themselves then everyone would be complaining. If your 14 and play this game you would be screwed. The rich people will have all the items and the poor people will be getting ganked by these people.

Well you know, since we are paying for the game it would actually be a sharement of the items, we are paying to play the game and get the items. Yes, they are made by BLIZZARD but we are PAYING blizzard to USE the items, even though we aren't exackly paying them directly for the specific item. They invent the items and put them into the random loot table, where random items can drop from any mob. Its our game time that we are using to get these items, so we are technically paying for the items already by using our real life money to pay the company to allow us to find these items, so technically they are our items now, not theirs.
Yes, they have the ability to create these items, when they are not in anyones possession then they are their items, but if someone finds them, the items then become owned by the person who found the items, as we pay the company.

So since the items are actually our property even though they are inside a companies space, we pay the company to create these items and put them into loot tables, but as soon as we find them, they are our items.
So, in my opinion, I believe they should be allowed to sell these items, since we have paid for them and since we have paid for them, blizzard no longer owns them.

I am inclined to aggree. I dont know about you but my money that I am paying for game membership is precious to me and so is the time I spend playing.